Page 99 Continued California Condor Should have his name attached to the Condor Survey in some way. To a question from me, that did he feel Mr. Gains Qualified in every way to pass on the description of condors as to age classification, by color, and the habits of condor: he, Howard, said he felt that he doubt Jack Gains was the greatest living authority on Condor in the world today. In answer to a question from Jan that had he, Howard, been up on the Hopper Rim on occasions with groups, Mr. Howard stated he never took groups into the Refuge area. Later in answer to a question direct to him by Jan that had he, Paul Howard, been up on Hopper Rim Road with a group on Memorial Day, he, Mr. Howard said he had not been up on the Hopper Road on Memorial Day or any other day. Mr. Howard, without being questioned concerning this subject—told us that Jack Gains was a salesman in his spare time and sold Trail bikes or Tote-Goats. He said Jack Gains had a Trail bike of his own that he used in his work for the Forest Service—according to Mr. Howard, Mr. Gains no longer having need for a horse has disposed of his horse and uses the Trail-bike in its place when patrolling or going over the Condor Refuge area. Mr. Howard said he thought we could use Tote-Goats or trail bikes to advantage in our work in studying the Condor in the Condor Refuge area and that he saw no reason why anyone would object to our using them in our research work. Mr. Howard told us of seeing 8 separate condor on a day spent in the Sespe area. Three of those 8 condors were young, he said, and although he saw the 8 condors at different times of the day he was sure they were all separate and different birds for he could easily identify the different features of each