continued California Condor- 5 June 1963 At this meeting in his home Jack Gains also re-stated what he told me over the Telephone last week that he had been on Hopper Rim Road with the Audubon Staff and their families on Memorial Day and although they had remained throughout the day in the general area of Lofords Lookout Point they had seen no Condor due to the fog that persisted while they were there. Mr. Gains mentioned that his wife had been sunburned on her shoulders on Hopper Rim that day - even though it was foggy and cool. Jan and I saw the signs of where this group had spent Memorial day on Hopper Rim in the area of Lofords Lookout Point, a memorial day, as we passed that way on foot Yesterday, and the day before Yesterday. Jack Gains also stated to us, in our meeting today, that a group from the Golden Gate Audubon Society, who had camped at Cow Springs Campground in the Corridor through the Condor Refuge, over the Memorial Day weekends, had told him, when he Saturday June went to Cow Springs Campground on [illegible] that they had observed 15 Condor circle over that area. Castaic Jct. Jan and I drove to [illegible] where we went to the deep pit of the Newhall Land and Cattle Company's Feed lot and saw 10 plus Turkey Buzzards feeding and perched on the ground about the pit where dead cattle from the feed lot are dumped - we looked for signs of Condor, but found none. We drove North to [illegible] Lebec - Lunches, passed the Pickup Station of the U.S. Forest Service where we met and talked with Ranger Jack Williams who told us of seeing two Condor circle and disappear into a rocky mountainside that is