Page 93 -Continued- California Condor 5-June 1963 go about getting to see it, or if he had been told not to show this map to us, or if he had the authority to do so without order from the Santa Barbara Office. I specifically asked Mr. Gains if he had shown us the locations of all whiteacre nest sites he knew in the Hopper Canyon and areas as well as any others that we had passed by when we were with Mr. Gains on 22 and 23 May-1963. Mr. Gains said Yes, that he had shown us all the loca- he knew of in these areas... If this is so then Jack does not know where the upper Whitacre Peak Nest is the nest site that is to the East and in sight of Squ Flat, nor the location of any of Kofoed's Nests in the Hopper Canyon area. For the nest sites we ha located from Kofoed's photographs were not pointed out to us by Jack Gains - Either Gains was lying to us, or else he does not know the location of these host sites. Jack Gains told us that 500 dollars had been allocate for widening the road that goes along Hopper Canyon & from the point where the Pacey Jeep Road and the Pole Canyon Road Converge, out to the place where we turned his Forest Service Pickup around on 22 May this is about 100 feet Southwest of the rocks at the roadside on the West Side of Kofoed's Lookout Point. Mr. Gains told us he had personally made the estimate of construction costs of this project and that he would personally supervise its construction, and that he Mr. Gains had gotten the bids for this construction project. This job would include widening out the present Hopper Rim Road and bulldozing out a wide area where automotive vehicles could turn around - the closing off further access to the Hopper Rim road from Kofoed's Lookout Point on north.