Gymnogyps californianus February 13/946 Hopper Canyon, Calif. At 5:30 saw at least 16 at Big Cave, perched, as most of the group probably returned there. Big Cave Falls was not running over the edge - water low. Cadera Falls had clear water - running slowly. All water quite low for this time of year. Did Peyton says that Dr Evermann (sp?) saw carders "mating" in Pico Sespe Canyon (some years ago). He said they "acted like a turkey". Did has some fragments of large clam shells - like Pierno clams - which were taken from Sespe carder nests. He said Dave Strathern - the man who told Did he saw 45 carders on Torrey a few weeks ago - told him he had seen carders on the channel islands. Did also said that his brother in law-who told him he had seen 2 (or+) carders on S. side of San Cayetano near Linda Creek today (from the valley). February 15/946 Ojai, Calif. At Ojai Ranger Station talked with Ranger Lyda & Phil Cook. Both were very friendly & cooperative. Lyda remembered me from former meetings. He said he saw 11 carders over Bald Mtns. (near Dale King Ranch) about a year ago, apparently at a carcass. He had heard from a friend that several years ago a freshyolo calf had been hung under a tree at Hermans Dele & left - when the men returned, the calf had