E. Heske 1980 Journal Berkeley, Alameda Co., CA USA to Jalapa, Veracruz, Mexico. in which Ted, Sue, David, Allan and I ride, and a Datsun sedan, in which Kurt, Lorrie, and Gerhard ride. The day is sunny, clear, ~35°C and very humid. we headed S on Hwy 190 D to Puebla, then turned NE on Hwy 140 towards Jalapa. Stopped 2.5 km E (by Mex. Hwy 140) of La Joya to collect salamanders. We turned logs and rocks for ~1.5 hrs (~1500-1630?). Site was initially steep slope (~45°) levelling off after about 30 m. to a flat area above road. Vegetation was principally Pine forest (sp. unknown), lush undergrowth included unid. bunch grass, thistle, Ribes, coyote bush, and other unidentified leafy or flowering plants. Area was locked in fog, trees dripping condensed moisture, but ground was still dry under logs. We found: 10 Chiropterotriton chiroptera >100 Thorius sp. 14 Pseudoeurycea cephalica 2 Pseudoeurycea leprosa All species were identified by Ted. All were collected, with the exception that only about 30-40 Thorius were kept. P. cephalica has a lichen pattern on the tail, which is constricted in a manner similar to Ensatina. It is generally slow moving. P. leprosa also has a slightly constricted tail (at the base), but lacks the lichen pattern. It has a faint blotching on the tail and March continued.