Journal Hofner, M.S. 1977 6.5 km. S Patzcuaro, 2200 m., Michoacan, Mexico. 28 July (cont) 1500 it began to rain heavily. We continued work and found the vehicle to be a fairly nice laboratory during inclement weather. By 1700 when we had a total of 15 Thomomys (alive) and 5 Pappogeomys (all alive). The one live Thomomys was captured in a padded Macabee. The Pappogeomys were all captured by one forefoot. The extreme size of the Pappogeomys was amazing. (One that JCH captured was larger than any on record in Hall and Kelson 1959). The Pappogeomys would not fit into the live gopher traps so we were forced to carry them back to camp in our trap-bags; their biting was rather damaging to the bags. The habitat in this region was mostly oak (Quercus sp.), large, narrow leafed forms: There were a few scattered conifers in the nearby woods, but the oaks seemed to dominate. Everything was quite nice - the underbrush quite thick. The Thomomys