Greene, H. 1985 4 August (continued) Our goal here was Heloderma, which have been seen in the vicinity, but we found no other herps before leaving ≈1000 hr. After a dip to Rosier, New Mexico for food, Max and I went to a good site for Crotalus lepidus in Cave Creek Canyon. We hiked ≈1 hr from the road to Ash Spring, then ≈1 hr above it to an area of talus slides in forest, a few hundred feet below large cliffs on an E or SE facing slope. Trail is often in the open and rocky, winding through open forest. Lots of agaves. Just as we started walking, in thicket woods, we found a juvenile Phymosora douglasii in the road, a close match to the leaves and rocks it sat amongst (this was at 1247hr). at 1313hr I heard rattle nearby and found a ♀ Crotalus lepidus (37g) going under rubble beside the trail. As we pulled her out Max saw ≥4 newborn young (open umbilical scars, opaque skin), one of which we were able to catch and photograph. At Ash Spring we drank cold, good tasty water and released a beautiful yellow Crotalus molossus (640g) Barry had sent w/us. At the uppermost rock slides Max caught 3 more C. lepidus, one of which I kept. With all these snakes I was impressed with their snappiness, constant