me? Souther Point Jrif open plot: young cliffrose coming in. From here for 3 miles country is all gambel oak, browsed high as deer can reach but coming back under- eath with new leaves up on ridges, cliffrose predominates & it is so browsed that the hill looks like cactus grove. junipers pinons & few yellow pines here. it. Sample plot. Grass knee high & abundant, outside grass short & of rare grasses present, ricegrass citannum along spear grass, and foxtail. In this plot 5 cliffrose 'involved' recovered, 8 died. Mallow abundant in plot. Region around plot severely browsed with half of cliffrose dead. Erosion outside of plot noticeably more than in plot. Here there was a conference held by Locke, Hall, Dixon, Anderson & Reddington. Locke expressed the opinion that any 'balance' in any area will have to be man-made, or an ideal which man will determine. No area can escape the outside influence. The Trumpeter Swans were especially mentioned by Locke as examples of upset conditions where intervention is absolutely necessary. No area is uninfluenced today. 'Primitive Area' in the Forest Service parlance doe