The "Yellow Pine" at Santa Barbara, Durango Number of needles per fascicle: 3,3,4,3,4,4,3,3,3,3,3,4,3,3 Bark: jig-saw type, just like Yellow Pine Cones: New and old both on tree; distributed in whorls of 2-4 around the branch. One old cone was 9cm lone and 7cm wide. Scales fairly thick. Tips thickened. No stalk. Foliage: in dense thickets near end of limbs: Needle length: 30-32cm. Quite common here and all through E. side of Sierra Madre Occ Very heavily logged for lumber. Fascicles very scaly (looks bound: -> ! ) Needles green, with whitish streaks underneath The "Lodgepole Pine" at Santa Barbara, Durango Number of needles per fascicle: 3,3,4,3,3,3,4,3,3 Bark: like a Red Fir. Not jig-saw at all. Dark ( or sugar Pine-deep red underneath; furri Cones: Only "old" ones noted on tree, scattered here and there singly. One cone 5.5cm lone by 4.5cm wide. No prickles. Scales fairly thick. Tip of scales thickened. Has a short stalk-> Fascicles not scaly Needles green. Foliage not dense, in small clumps Needle length: 6-9 cm. Not logged.