D.A. Good 1981 Journal 0.8 mi N summit Hwy 175 to Oaxaca, Oaxaca 4 January Up ca. 0700 and waited for Duke + Ed to get up (which they did ca. 0745). D+E then went out to check traps while I worked toward packing the car. D+E returned ca. 0945 with a variety of mice several of which had frozen to death during the night. We then had breakfast, finished packing and drove on to the top of the hill where I expected to find a road Ted Papenfuss told me about on which I could supposedly find Barisia and Afromia. However, when we reached the summit we discovered that it was the wrong summit and we had to drive on to La Cumbre (ca 20 km N of Oaxaca) where we found the road leading W. We drove 2.9 mi along this road and stopped ca. 1300 and Ed +I started turning over logs, etc while Duke took care of his animals and obtained a few more. Habitat here mixed pine-oak with open meadows here and there. Slope ca. 45°. Ground cover messed up by heavy use by cattle. There are lots of signs of lumbering in the area so many of the larger pines have been cut down. However, this means there are lots of old stumps and fallen logs under which salamanders + lizards can be looked for. In the period 1300 - 1600 I found [illegible] 14 unidentified salamanders and 10 Thorius and E found 3 of the same unidentified species and 10 Thorius. The unidentified sp. may be the same as the unident. sp. from yesterday. The Thorius are not the same as the Thorius from yesterday. The Thorius seemed to prefer hiding under bank of fallen logs or under logs on the ground. The other sp. was found