California Condor Eben McMillan 14 June 1964 John Minton said he first became acquainted with the Sisquoc, and Big Pine mountain area as a Boy Scout. He still belongs to the Boy Scouts in Santa Barbara, but no longer goes on hikes. Once he became owner of a motorcycle he no longer cares to do any hiking. He remarked. He mentioned having come into the Sisquoc River area from Davy Brown Camp with a group of Boy Scouts several years ago and on a four day hike had climbed the trail above Sisquoc Falls and passed by the Condor Refuge. Mr. Minton knew of Condor, but had never seen one. We said they are light red in color with orange head- He said about 8 pairs still remain in about the Sisquoc and also in a refuge in the Sespe area. He said there was also a few up in Utah. John Minton told us he came up via Q50 Camp where he drove his motorcycle past a locked gate. In setting by this locked gate he stated using a narrow gate at the side of the locked gate near which a sign stated that no motorized vehicles were allowed beyond this point. He mentioned having met 8 other trail bikes returning from Bluff Camp where they had spent the night. They were all going down towards Cachuma Dam. He said he expected to find forest service personnel on Big Pine mountain and at the Lookout for he thought the Lookout would be activated by now. He gave not the slightest indication that his driving past the wilderness area signs that forbid the use of any motorized vehicles, unless authorized by the U.S. Forest Service, on such roads as that going out to Big Pine Lookout. Of course it would appear that Supervisor Hansen could have been breaking this rule as were Ian and I also.