California Condor Eben McNillan 25 February 1964 Gains is a good man. That there seemed to have been some difficulty or trouble between us and the Forest Service Officer at the commencement of this study, but that Jack Gains had assured him that he had always had friendly relations with us and saw no reason why they couldn't continue to be the same. I assured Mr. Hansen that this was correct. That Jack Gains had always been most co-operative with us as has been all other personnel of the San Padres National Forest and that we held no personal feelings against anyone in this branch, but that our job called for the investigation and appraisal of all factors that have a bearing on the welfare of Condor and that we were of the opinion that were we not to put these things down as we see them happen, as we find them to be, then we would be derelict in our duty to an honest appraisal. That we wished to inconvenience no one other than to the extent necessary to bring out the facts in this case. I am then mentioned why he had gone to the Santa Barbara people with the word of this affair. That he had called the Ojai office and found no one there. That he had called Mr. Hansens Office for someone to come to the Oak Flat area and appraise this situation with him immediately after he found the problem of entry into the Sespe Wildlife Area being abused by Mr. Gains and the photographer and that a person had been sent out to appraise what he had done wrong in going to a phone and calling the head office before calling -