California Condor Eben McDillian 25 February 1964 Said that we did not need to notify anyone that we were entering the sespe wildlife area, that we could go and come as we pleased, that he did not care what we did while we were in the wildlife area, in fact, he said, it was none of his business. Mr. Hansen stated that he did not want us to feel responsible to anyone in the forest service in his region, nor did he feel [illegible] the forest service had any responsibility towards us. Supervisor Hansen reminded us that he wanted to see everything done to preserve Condor. That he was as interested in seeing Condor guarded as anyone. I am asked Mr. Hansen who he should check with when entering the Condor refuge for we want to let members of the forest service know of our movements when we are in the sespe wildlife area and that, in the past, it has always been our colicy to inform someone as to our whereabouts in the area. I am asked if it would be O.K. to notify his, Mr. Hansen's Office when we go into the refuge. Mr. Hansen said no, that we should notify the Ojai Office, that Mr. Jack Parkinson manages this Office and if no one is at this office [illegible] we could notify, Jack Gains. Supervisor Hansen told us that he had made an investigation of the matter and that he had to go along with Gains, "I cannot Suspect in these men. I must believe what they say!" Of course if it is proven that Jack Gains did have the photographer with him near the Condor nest then this would be a different matter and would have to be dealt with. Gains would be lying and if I find he is lying he will be fired. This is generally the statement of Supervisor Hansen. He, Mr. Hansen said Jack