california condor Eben Mcmillan 9 February 1964 overnight camping place. I have no doubt that Bill Koutnik and his group can be educated Towards the preservation of Condor and other large birds of prey. He mentioned that their group does not allow practice or target, Shooting other than in the immediate area surrounding their Camp. This, of course, to discourage frightening game as well as the protection of themselves when in the field. Were someone to approach these people, as well as all other hunting groupson Tejon Ranch property, with a well directed Circular of information relative to the need to protect all large birds I feel sure it would be met with a reasonable amount of appreciation from these people. Either the Tejon Ranch Company should be approached to do this through their wildlife representative or some organization like the National Audubon Society should take this matter up and see that it is done. I passed company with Bill Koutnik following a display he put on for me in calling Predatory mammals in so that he can shoot them. We had two separate objects with which he did the Calling. I must say his demonstration was most realistic and no doubt effective when in proper surroundings. It was dark, or late dusk, when he left down Tejon Canyon on his way to his home in Arcadia. I camped for the night, late, on the flats at the mouth of Pastoria Canyon, on Tejon Ranch property. It was cold. I overlooked mentioning that Bill Koutnik had also told me of seeing the Carcass of a good sized Buck deer yesterday, that was lying on a slope of the mountain, well above the hunting Camp on area 5 at Tejon Ranch, that had not been eaten by predators. He said that the eyes were gone but that otherwise it was just as it fell. Cold temperatures had it preserved it well. He thought it had been there for some time.