California Condor Eben McMullan 9 February 1964 that NO more than fifteen Deer could be killed and that a maximum of Eight hunters is all that would be allowed in the field on any given day. This group have a secretary who keeps record of all game killed. All game animals can be shot in open season. Koutnik said considerable Quail hunting was done on area five by his group and he thought about 200 quail had been taken. He did say that his figures of take could be in error for their secretary had not yet compiled the list for the 1963 hunting seasons, and that his figure of 200 quail taken was only an estimate. Mr. Koutnik was prepared to hunt after dark as his gun was equipped with a spotlight. Evidently Predator hunting is allowed by the Tejon company throughout the year or else he is just taking this liberty upon himself. I gathered from Bill Koutnik's conversation that the instructions given them to go by in hunting on area five of Tejon Ranch was quite detailed as he said the list of these instructions comprised about forty written pages of print. Evidently mention is made in these instructions as to what can be shot and what cannot be shot, for he (Mr. Koutnik) in answer to my question if he had seen any Eagles brought a detailed description of how he had seen an Eagle approach the place where he was sitting and after perching on the limb of a tree for some time the eagle had flown on its way. Had he not been instructed against shooting at certain objects I feel sure he would have mentioned shooting at the eagle. He did say that a Kenny Krebs, whom he sees in the area of area 5 quite regularly and whose camp he mentioned visiting, did have the foot of a large bird that had been found dead in Tejon Canyon. Koutnik thought from the size of the foot and the length of the talons that this was the foot of an Eagle. Koutnik had spent yesterday and today on area 5. Two other members of his group had been there also over the weekend. All had been repairing a cabin that is situated on area 5 and which the group use as an —