California Condor Edan Jackmillan 17 December 1963 of the advisory Committee of the Need to act how and firmly. All members of the Committee acknowledged equal responsibility and gave every indication that they would act to repair the damage, if any, that Mr. Metcalf brought out in his letter. From what I have witnessed in the area about, and within, the Sespe wildlife area, Mr. Metcalf only knows an inkling of what is actually going on there that is directly disastrous to Condor Welfare. He made no mention of the promiscuous use of firearms that we have found so prevalent in that area, nor did he mention the fact that all officials of the Ojai and Santa Barbara districts of the U.S. Forest Service admitted know that Jack Gaines is working for this Harter Ranch Company and is actively promoting the use of motorized trail vehicles within the forest service Personnel. There is reason to wonder how both Mr. Dolman and Mr. Dasman, whose job encompasses the matter of Wildlife Management on the Los Padres National Forest, could be so poorly informed on matters relating to the welfare of a vanishing or very rare species of animal. Should this information become cpublic knowledge there is every reason to believe that people would join forces, much as has happened in the case of the mountain lion in California, and that the U.S. Forest Service would be at a loss to defend themselves in this matter. The meeting adjourned at 1:00 p.m., after which Dr. Miller, Carl Buckheister, Bill Goodall [illegible] all returned to our hotel and had lunch after which we immediately left for our prospective homes or places of business. I would judge today's meeting as most constructive and well performed.