California Condor Eben McMillan 26 November 1963 Evidently Edwards and Dunlap have no respect for the signs nor for the law prohibiting shooting along a public road or on a wildlife Refuge. One wonders if any effort is ever made to acquaint these people with the responsibility they have when using the public roads leading through the Condor Refuge. This Tractor Operator voiced no concern over the fact that the Forest Service had not yet issued permission for him to enter the wildlife refuge with his road building operation. I said that he would probably have ample opportunity to set shooting when he was pushing the road construction on out into the Condor Refuge. To this he only nodded and smiled, but made no mention that shooting, in the possession of firearms, inside the refuge, was illegal. This Bulldozer Operator had seen no Condor while working here but several years ago he said that while doing some earthmoving on the mountain to the west of the North end of Jiio Lake that he saw Condor on several occasions and that at times they came very close to him. He told us that one never realizes how large those birds are until one sees them at a close distance which is more or less true. We hiked out to our pickup and left for home via Santa Barbara where we stopped at the Museum of Natural History for any late information they may have picked up relative to Condor happenings. Waldo Abbott told us that a Mr. John Flavin, a Hawk fancier had been to the Carrisa Plains and had