california condor. Eben Inchrillan 19 october 1963 cardboard signs that had been tacked up during the summer, designating this drainage as a closed area. It must have been a forest service vehicle but we wondered why the person, or persons, who tore the cardboard signs off the boards had left the fragments of the signs lying about on the ground. Perhaps this spirit of disrespect has permeated to the forest service personnel itself? about one quarter mile above the Ferndale Ranch we met two boys that were from Santa Paula and were hunting reptiles. They were in the process of overturning all the large stones they could move and searching for reptiles or amphibians underneath them. As we passed the Ferndale Ranch we met two men and six or seven boys with light packs on their backs that were heading for Big Cone Camp. When asked if they had gotten permission to go up the Santa Paula river one of the fellows said he had called the Forest Service in Ojai about three weeks ago and had been given permission to go to Big Cone Campground with his group of boy Scouts. He assumed the permission he was granted at that time still continues. The man of this group, that said he was the Scoutmaster, told us that the Forest Service is very lenient with him in giving permission to go into the forest to camp. I mentioned to this scout leader that he should look at the damage done to the facilities at Big Cone Campground when they arrive. The man seemed little interested in discussing this subject and only mentioned something about those darned hunters. we met Greg in my car at the Ferndale Ranch entrance.