Gymnogyps californianus December 23,1948 Arroyo Grande, Calif. I talked with Fred Ross, game manager, who lives at 1 Kaley on. He told me that he had been a trapper in the Cholame area from May 1942 to spring of 1943. He often saw carders over Conijo Bluff he said. Six was the most he saw at one time. In Steil Canyon (not far from Antelope Valley near Cholame) he once came upon 4 carders on the ground feeding on a skunk he had trapped. That was in July 1942. Ross information seems to be reliable. April 5, 1949 Ventura Co., Calif. With John Baker, Rickel (Supervisor Los Padres N.F.), Laffney (Asst. Sup), Lyda (Dist. Ingr., Ojai), and Crone miller (Asst. Regional F.S.), drove to Happen Canyon via Pale Canyon road. Crone miller said that 2 men in his office, Jay and Strathkin, had seen 7 carders roasting on Breakbridge Mtn. recently. Lyda said that on March 25, Near Whiteside Pk., a trail crew (including Dalkley, the carder area patrolman last year) saw 24 carders. A few hundred yards inside the forest boundary on the Pale Canyon road, there was a wire cable across the road, locked by a U.S.F.S. lock, and a sign stating that the Despo wildlife area was closed except by permit from the Forest Supervisor.