Haukey James 1976 Hotel Primavera, Oaxaca, Est. Oaxaca, Mexico 12 February of Wade, Lynne, and Pat which is 9 km from La Cumbre. We later found two species of Thorius sympatric. This latter locality proved to be ~ 0.5 km farther along the road, but we didn't work it. The ravine which we worked was almost all oak, with pines becoming abundant dominant as one approached the ridges on either side. Only a few Thorius, apparently of one morph, were taken. #4 - 15 km from La Cumbre - This is the reversed P. smithii locality of Wade, etc. It has scattered tall pines with abundant fallen logs. Although several logs were nearly dry, P. smithii proved to be abundant, especially under bark on large, fallen logs (One log I worked contained ~ 30-40 P. smithii) juveniles were by far the most numerous. Thorius were found in slightly moister conditions under oak and logs, etc. Can the P. smithii be excluding Thorius because of their great numbers? Apparently, it's not absolute as in at least one or two instances Thorius was taken with juvenile P. smithii under the same log or bark. Brad also found one