Hanken, James 1976 Journal Hotel Mayorga, Fortin, Est. Veracruz Mexico 3 Feb stings under large fallen logs, and under leaf litter especially in piles of wood chips. Three small Pseudoeurycea were found with a generally reddish ground color with grayish markings laterally. They were found under bark often with Thorius. We left this locality and visited the town of El Berra (to the SE? - we have no compass). Then we walked to a canyon ~1 km SE of El Berra which is mostly cleared for agriculture with few clings of pine-oak woodland remaining. The sun was shining & the temperature warm and the ground dry, and we expected no salamanders. However, in this N facing steep canyon wall with remnants of moist pine-oak forest we found 50 Thorius distributed under logs, under bark on stumps, and abundant in piles of wood shavings. Five Pseudoeurycea were also found under bark, four resembling those at the Texmola locality, and one tiny one apparently P. lelli-like. The Thorius are apparently two kinds as at Texmola: one large, often black type with big feet+limbs, and a smaller T. gennatulus- like form. Plus 24 Bufo regular-like frogs were found under logs on the exposed canyon bottom, and eight sclopous of at least two