40 # refri), think principal det is mice, they havent yet found either in fence. Nov. 3 Day cloudless, calm, Went up Cerro Otto to Pielera Blanca. Lots of snowbanks thererelout; lengas looping out, The row of Doug firs, 1 ft. DBH, along the road at the trees meadow had all fallen (skepstone), snow? wind?. Walked along Gavier's trap path. Lots of snow, the bamboo still struggling up through it. The lengas beginning to loop out, a few earth cores in open meadows, but this is not an annuncay area. Saw no "edibb" bamboo shoots, but lots of clumps had a few tall leafless culms with sheaths. We chose a discrete clump in a meadow and spent several hours tallying culms and measuring diameters and internodal distances. Some big cores had been broken by the snow. Dinner with Gallepine, Nov. 4 Morning cloudy turning to rain & snow. Finished measuring the bamboo clumps on Cerro Otto, Clump A. The clump contained 267 yellow (old) culms, 25 green - with - culm - sheath, 5 red - stalk - no - leaves -1" yr, 14 broken culms, and 73 dead culms; no "edible" shoots but 2 old dead "edible" type sheaths, also 1 red - but - leaves - out - no culm - sheaths. Total 387 culms including 75 dead. 3 random subsamples had diameters 2 ft background of 10.9 to 24.0 m, mode 19 m. . Nearly were the remains of old dead clumps, very short stubs sticking up foreground and big old grey mothered cores scattered about. Picked up 4 big pieces, and the internodes