notes, Dean 2010 journal Nov. 20 Cobre de Perote, Cruz Blanca and La Joya, Veracruz, Mexico I started the day by driving to the summit of Cobre de Perote. Stopped to look in a mossy fir forest above El Congo for ~20 min under rocks and in the roadbank. Looked good but found nothing. Drove past Cruz Blanca on road to Las Nigas and stopped in a fairly large remnant patch of pine forest, which I think is where many MVZ specimens were collected in the past. The forest is quite disturbed and has a crowded understory of shrubs and vines, and was difficult to work in. I searched from 15:00-15:45 in the few logs I could find. I got a Thersius magnificus under a small log and 5 more under the bark of the same large log. One of them is smaller and could conceivably be a T. minydenus, which also occurs here. I also got a Pseudorycea cophatica under a piece of cement on the side of the road nearby. I then went to La Joya and opened 14 small to medium-sized bromeliads in an area of scattered trees near the town lump ~0.8km N of town. I got 4 Chiropterotriton (larvae, presumably); one is a striking orange-red, while the others are brown and look more like other Chilaps I've seen. I searched in bromeliads from 16:30-17:40, with a 25 min break for photos. Searched along a good rock wall in the area for ~15 min just after dark but found nothing. It was sunny all day but got cloudy in the late afternoon and somewhat misty at dusk. I stayed in the same hotel in Perote as last night. Nov. 21 Las Joyas Microwave Station, Veracruz, Mexico Drove up to Las Joyas, searched along road bank + in logs in pine forest. Got 5 P. leprosa - 1 under rock, 1 under small log, +3 inside a large deteriorated log. Searched 11:15-12:45. Took some photos, then drove back to D.F. Habitat seemed OK, although disturbed by logging, grazing + agriculture.