Rovito, Dean 2007 Journal Chilan area, Chiapas, Mexico (cont.) Aug. 9 ...that Antonio thought might be the supposed new species. It had fairly clear lines on its back instead of just blotches, and came from under wood in a cafetal. One of the men in the village then took us to a fragment of pine forest on the way out, but there was almost nothing to turn and we only spent ~30 min. He then took us to a big sinkhole-like depression in the pine forest where there were several small caves, some with deep holes. They looked too dry for salamanders at present, but Antonio got an Eleutherodactylus in one. Although we didn't find Cryptotriton, supposedly there is a very nice privately owned forest nearby with big trees and bromeliads, so the species could still be here. Chilan to San Cristobal de las Casas, Chiapas, Mexico Aug. 10 We left Chilan and drove to Altamirano, hoping to see some high country where we could collect. We talked to people and found out that there are no roads that go high, although we could see great forest on the peaks all around. We wanted to stop in a pine forest to look for B. mexicana, wouldn't give us permission (Zapatista area no men around to ask, etc., as before) so we gave up and started to drive to San Cristobal. We made several stops at >1800m on the way back to look for salamanders, particularly B. hartwegi, but got only a Thoraps and a Hylo walker.