Journal Nov. 5 chichiquan and Finca Sta Julia, Depto San Marcos, Guatemala (south). to turn were very dry and the moist, mossy areas had nothing to turn. We found 2 D. salpensis and 1 M. moroti (15.07320N, 91.87232W [WGS84, 6m acc], 3045m elev. - GPS point at road junction). We continued on the road towards chichiquan and talked to a man who said he frequently sees salamanders under rocks, but only when it is wetter. The area was almost entirely deforested and the few patches of pine forest looked recently planted. We stopped at one of the larger patches and searched for 30 min. There were very few stumps but many rocks to turn; we only found a D. salpensis (GPS at car- 15.915055N, 91.911093W [WGS84, 4m acc], 3176m elev). The forest was a few km before S.C. chichiquan. We continued up the main road and turned off towards Cideras Las Flores. We stopped 1.7Km down the road in a forest of pine and fir (Abies guatemalensis) with large trees and undergrowth that looked much older than any forest we had seen and may have been primary forest, although it was only a small patch of forest. I looked in the roadbank for 30 min without success, and then found a juvenile B. rustirata under the bank of a small stump (15.1418N, 91.92183W [WGS84, 6m acc], 3254m elev). Carlos came back with 5 B. rex, all of which he had found in the same log. The area was somewhat wet and seemed to get moisture from the fog which enclosed the area as we left. We drove back to San Marcos and continued towards San Rafael Pte de la Cuesta) and finally to Finca Sta Julia, where huge numbers of herps had been collected on previous trips. We asked the