Stebbins, R Asian Trip Kuala Lumpur 184 Feb. 5 (2) Deputy Permanent Secretary, Abdullah Sahat and Eames-Hughes-U.K. Administrator, formerly Permanent Secretary. [The Crossman] the chief executive position in the Ministry) and now secretary of a committee on the needs of Higher Education. Mr. Satter sat in. Dr. Dart opened by presenting the reasons for our visit. All listened attentively. When discussion got under way Baki proved to be the most talkative. Khan seemed inclined to let him carry the ball. Khan is a slenky, dark-skinned, older man, perhaps in his late 50s. Baki is short, stocky, light-skinned full-lipped, enigmatic person. Sahat and Eames-Hughes were silent. Dart urged that the syllabus review committee get some scientists to work closely with it. At present only non-scientists are involved except for slight participation of scientists as advisors. Baki maintained that there could be little change because of the syllabus and seemed to feel change would have to come from Cambridge.