Stebbins R., 1963 Asian Trip Bangkok Jan. 30 Tokyo, I to Manila. In the afternoon we visited Dr. Kamhaeng Balantura, Secretary General of the National Education Council. We met him at Chulalongborn University. He has had training in anatomy in the U.S. (Harvard, I believe). He is a short, pleasant man in his late 40s (?), with a hearty laugh and friendly manner. Dr. Kasin Suwatbandhu was present throughout the interview. He was also present yesterday but had to leave early. Kasin is a systematic botanist in the Dept. of Botany at the University. He is a very thin, slight man but alert and obviously intelligent. He reflected on my suggestion that a good teacher could lead the children in research out dows on wild plants and animals, even if she knew little biology if she had some knowledge of the scientific method and was willing to accept the point of view that she her pupils were searching and experimenting together. I had used my experiment with spidus as an example. Kasin remarked that in most cases, the children, coming from the country would know a lot more natural history than their teachers. Some children hunt for insects, etc. for food. Since I was suffering from larvgitis, Dr. Dart presented our story concerning