109 Jan. 22. The country is faced with a serious dilemma. It will fall apart without religion, Zaki feels, yet religion will impede scientific and technological progress. The Islamic part on religion is the one thing that binds the people. Without it the Nation would disintegrate, Zaki feels the only way out of the dilemma may be a watering down of religious dogma. An example of how religion can bar progress is the attitude religious leaders have on birth control. An objective scientific evaluation leads to the conclusion that the health of the society demands a reduction in births, yet religion says "no". I asked if scientists, educators, and secondary school teachers were beginning to collaborate in efforts to elevate the level of science teaching as has been happening in the U.S. Zaki said "no" but that he was trying to get such collaboration going with the help of the Asia Foundation & provincial governments. He spoke of them (collaboration groups) as "cells" He is obviously very familiar with BSSC & PSSC work. Indeed, he has worked with Zacharias at MIT. I am coming to feel that one of the most effective things for the United States to do to help Asian science education is to bring high quality young Asians to the U.S. for training in science education. Jan. 23. Visited the Sind Madrasah School. Nazir Wazasin, principal. This is a boys school that covers 5-10th grade. The enrollment is over 120. AID is putting money here to encourage diversification in teaching - shop work & other