J. Groth 1986 Journal 136. heard but not attracted. Pine Siskins were uncommon, later, I drove W to the Nat'l Forest on Aug 26 just W of Mitchell, and slept out. Aug 8 The camp area was ponderosa pine forest, like a savanna with many trees. No cones on the ponderosa pine, and Doug fir looked "dead" with brown-tipped branches. This was true elsewhere including S Idaho along the roads W of Stanley, Idaho. Western larch was common in these forests, but had no cone crop. I put out bird 387, but she attracted nothing with her loud, rapid calling. She seemed particularly excited to see that she was in a new type of forest. I broke camp, as continued W on Aug 26 over the Cascades. I stopped a couple times in likely areas, but heard nothing. Cone crops were poor on all conifer species. I drove through Eugene, on to Florence. The weather was getting hot, into the 90's.