J. Groth 1985 journal p. 58. Aug 1 (cont'd) camped by 9:30 because the clouds had coalesced and were beginning to drop rain. Considering that the typical pattern was for progressive worsening as the day would progress, I decided to seek drier areas for fieldwork, as little appeared possible in the rain. I drove north on 666 to Alpine, then E on 180 to Luna. From there, I took the National Forest road (29?) North. The areas immediately around Alpine-Luna looked o.k., but not as good as the forests south of Hannagan Meadow. Hannagan Meadow Alpine Luna Hwy 180 spruce/fir/aspen moderate cone crop on ponderosa pine N good ponderosa pine crop with cross bills Clifton Hwy 666 Basically, the good area was on the Mogollon Rim itself. From Luna, the road went through a beautiful mesa area, with scattered pine savannas, but few with cones. It graduated to pinyon pine, then open country with sagebrush. Here were many cattle. Birds of note through the region include pinyonjay