10. Dec 23 Dec and I took a trip down to southern California for Christmas. Today, the two of us, with my brother John, went to the mountains just east of Oceanside, Calif. We traveled around areas near Julian, Calif., just off hwy 78, in pine forests there, but saw no crossbills. At about 10:00 a.m. we decided to go to Mt. Palomar since there are Bigcone Douglas Fir (Pseudotsuga macrocarpa) at areas about 4500-6000 ft. There were apparently some hunters (something in season?) in some areas of the Cleveland Natl. Forest. On Palomar, we found a couple inches of snow. We spent about 1/2 hr. in the forest, eating lunch -- put out birds "#0" at "57" -- but no sign of crossbills. At about 12:30 we went to a parking area on the ridge near the ranger station of the state park -- and six crossbills showed up -- almost certainly they were Type 3. We were then kicked out of the area by a ranger