B. Shaffer 1976 Journal Mexico, Veracruz, vicinity Cerro Orizaba, and the road, while dirt, is a very good road. We proceeded East on it, past Termola 1.5 km. and 1.5 km. before Termola, we collected in a small patch of pine woods. The area has been heavily cleared, but there were a few old patches of woods left. In this area, we found very few logs or rocks, but those we found had salamanders. I got one small Pseudoemyces under back of a stump. & many Thorius, especially by rating wood chips on the ground. These were very moist, & often between the chips would be salamanders. All told, we got 53 Thorius + 3 Pscois under various litter. The area was dry + sunny for the most part, & is being heavily farmed. We then proceeded on the road further east, to the town of El Bero. This may be arrived at several ways, but if you keep going east (toward the mtns.) you eventually hit it. We then hiked in about 1 km. to the face of the mtns, and walked a very steep clearing on a slope. This area also was very dry + dusty, and heavily cleared. Only the very steep slopes have trees left- the rest is cleared for farming or wood. We worked