B. Shaffer 1976 Journal Mexico: Oaxaca: vicinity of Vista Hermosa 8 Feb. a fallen-tree bromiliad in the middle the rest of the animals were in normal type habitats. Also, at this place I noticed that there are 2 distinct types of bromilioda- one has broad leaves w no spines, & the large leaves are thin, & the other looks like an Agavi plant as a tree- large, succulent leaves w spires on edges. The former seems to be richer in Amphibian life, but both do have animals - salamanders however, seem to be rare in the big Agavi type plants. We now drove about 3km. S. to a bus stop that was known as a good site with a very large trail going off to the west. Agavi known collecting spot- another trail to the west but to no bus stop. Again this is very wet, true rainforest - lots of bromiliods - a good spot. Walking through the woods we get ~ 12 chings in perhaps 30-40 bromiliods and here we found, as we did elsewhere, that Chings are most abundant in medium sized bromiliods. It is possible that the big nos harbor too many predatory insects, or perhaps they are too wet - they hold several quarts of water. In any case- about 12" tall plants are definitely