Afterwards, talked with a modeste man who lives just east of the park gate. He knew lots, showed me on his walk into the kind of place they stay, said they were good winter and summer, it but sometimes they were only partly alive, "like a tortuga". Talked with the owner and the foreman of Pedro Buenos Aires. They both said no lots of Eo Estieras. The foreman said he had cut road there for 4 yrs and never found a lot. Drove to Pedro Buenos east of Calafate. Lots of good creatures, holes etc. Found barn or great-barn owl pellets. Then drove till dusk on the road toward Santa Cruz. Crossed in quite open short-grass with only a few small shrub thickets. Saw total of about 30 trofos. Night calm, overcast. Battery gate. Nov. 13 Morning overcast, 14°. Night was clear, but dark flow down about 6 a.m. Drove all day to Santa Cruz then with our Route 3 to beyond Fitzroy. Saw a few rheas and guanacos, twins < 1 week old. Country very open, mostly flat, no trees. Lots of sheep. Mostly clear. At 9:50 clear, still windy, 16° More comments on the emptiness of Patagonia: From Calafate to Pedro Buenos to Fitzroy, about 15 hrs of driving on good road (total 673 km) we saw one guanaco driving a troop of forese (9:30 a.m.) and one group of 5 doing something with a grove of a hundred or so sheep (4:30 p.m.). In Pedro Buenos, of course, where we had a tire repaired, we saw people, and there were a convoy of 20+ oil exploration trucks on the Calafate-Pedro Buenos road and other trucks on route 3, but after that those monitored nobody was outside