Journal 25 November 1978. Mr. Grapevine, Kevin G. and wings too numerous. I saw no cobar, tho other people said saw it. About 2 pm, a condor adult circled above grassy bald hills; then 2 more, so 3 condors adults visible at once in lucia field. They were in sight about 1/2 hour, then (at least) off to SE. (Elv thought he saw a fourth!) We also saw an adult bald eagle, and several beactles & ravens, but no turkey vultures. The condor group were mostly seen that most or all the birds on ground were cadores. Definitely white wing lining in one, but not sure - perhaps immature cador? Gradually air studies & visibility improved. If birds were cadors, would they stay in those small solo all night? Some of us noted white at base tail in some birds. Elv Mc M. strongly assumed that they were immature golden eagles at least 3 of them, perched on ground + smooth branches probably at food. Several people had already left, sure in their reinforced (by each other) opinion that they had seen 10 can- dors, whereas we were sure of only 3 adults. We departed small about 4 pm. Many calves among cattle on lower slopes. Apparently there should be plenty of food from 5 % calf loss! We drove via Lost Nelle and Bitterwater Valley to Glen's place. Later I returned to my shack at Sam. In all this trail, the only region I saw regarding cadors were in the USFS office, & on the maps they distribute. More cadors regions might help protection. 26 November 1978 J Mc Millan Ranch, San L Obispo Co, Calif. Foggy cold morning. Then FNE breeze as slowly cleared. More talk w/ Sam. He said they saw hundreds of sandhill cranes on a drum