Journal 21 June 1972. Sao Paulo, Brazil group. He said rat' planned for Amazon area. New park, 2 mos. ego, in Mato Grosso, = Caracori', mr. Paraguai River. He thinks most jaguars in Amazon pessimistic about wildlife future - parks needed. Thinks conservation making progress. But want more people and oppose birth control. Charles Mikes scientist has worked here w. D.N. Paulo said many scientists have come to Brazil to work and have never reported results, as some had feelings. He had cold, had just ended classes, so not at his best. About 45 yrs., senior. Nice house & grounds; apparently well known old family! poisonman D.N. sent us on for short visit to Just. Butantan, where snake serum made. Out- door site w. many snakes, wiped; schoolchildren and others viewing them. Near university. | D.N. rent car w. us to Museu Paulista, university not. Driving past about 45 yrs. old. serum, Dr. Vongolini director. He was unknown herpetologist, talkative, grew- up w. tinia. Not talked w. Williams at Harvard. Starland had been here 2 yrs. V. knew Wols, German, father. For about 25 years he had been making trips to Amazon. Now they had two boats then, which go up & down rivers. | He said that about 1970, in season of 6 months a hunter took 10-20 ocelots, 1-2 jaguars. Ocelots trapped in box(if logs) w. drop door, strangled w. wire. Kitten Skins 300 cr. value; 1000 cr. for prime jaguar (Dec. 1970). Jan. 1972, however, he met only one hunter looking for jaguar skins, a Brazilian on Rio Grande river. V. thinks prohibition has been fairly effective, & little demand jag. skins now. In Amazon, always are working boat. | Always skin trade in Petrona and oaclet. About 10 yrs. ago, learned to tan jag. hides better. Many quit other jobs to hunt jaguar - along Tapajos became principal occupation. | V. said other hunters built landing strips above rapids along rivers - lately working along Rio Canimejarans (v. of mouth Tapo Tapajos). | V. himself only once saw a jaguar. But working w. locals, shining & talking, has heard much. | Beat 'L.P. Guar'raos & Garbe.' Topir - many on reserve 105 km. from S. Paulo (part of watershed reserve). | Black jag. - has seen 30-40