C. Koford 39 Journal 16 December 1965. Chiangmai, NW Thailand morning, 1030. Visited zoo, where saw species macaques. One chimp-like with reddish antlers back - 24 in cage picked finger in own vagina, then licked finger, an infecting blood. Heard Young, driver, said "wild macaques", found near roads, & had heard they were M. assamensis. He said in one area there were "long tailed chasers" monkeys too. He told of having various times of a large ape in Burma border area, groups up to 21. He had seen track, larger than his footprint, w. chimp-like big toe at side. He had been 14 years in region, knew local country & hill tribes well, tough jungle survival to troops. Said much destruction occurred through hunting; no gibbons now on Doi Suei, when formerly common, or in area where Carpenter studied (in Chiang Dao?). Thought disappearance of animals from hunting rather than deforestation. His son border to move from Bangkok to Chiangmai soon. Heard living set, about 55, w. much love but little scientific knowledge. 1 Chiang mai next to hide with oak-like forest covering, a better zone above apparently. Undeveloped compared w. Bangkok. Five university buildings, the univ. starting 2 yrs. ago. Stayed at heats lab field station near university & zoo. 17 December 1965. Rode up to Wet Setups, about 5500 ft., on Doi Suei. Rain, clouds. Few birds saw. Returned to Chiangmai & train to Bangkok. 18 December 1965. Tried to leave for Australia, but plane overbooked so stranded in Bangkok. Put up at hotel by Porter. 19 December 1965. On eve flew to Singapore, + eve of 20 December 1965 flew to Perth, arriving very early morning. Then rented VW combi. Visited CSIRO at univ (Ney Nederland), and Dr. Serenity, recently back from Mutton bird banding at Boss Street. Spent several days touring to S. of Perth, among giant Eucalyptus m. Pemberton, Cope Leuwelyn (sp.? ). Visited Eric Lodge at ranch.